De Ecclesia
[To the question] "Where can I find the true Church?" [the English reformers] gave a more mundane answer. Assurance with regard to the Church was to be found neither in the biblical idealism of the Puritans nor in the conservative traditionalism of the Catholics. The gospel did not come with fail-safe guarantees. The Church always exists under grace, and while truth and purity were not to be taken lightly, their full achievement was still awaited and in the meantime could only be perceived in faith. No form of discipline or safeguards on doctrine could replace that perception.
-from "The Doctrine of the Church" by Philip H.E. Thomas in The Study of Anglicanism
posted by Arturo Vasquez @ 10:47 AM
12 Comments:
For somone who claimed he was'nt going to become a cheerleader for Anglicanism, your realy doing a great job! Keep up the good work Arturo!
Did you expect him to never mention anglicanism again on his blog? Why don't you give Arturo a break, for God's sake and stop acting like such a prig. His posts about the Church, either Catholic or Anglican, are posts about searching for a place that he can survive in spiritually in this craptacularly fallen world. Why don't you try to respect that. We're all glad that you've acheived happiness in whatever way it is that you worship... why don't you give him a chance to find his own.
As Pelikan said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead. Traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."
No I kinda thought Arturo would do as he said! Not become a cheerleader for the Anglicans. I guess I was wrong. I thought the Anglican church was just a place you were going to go on Sundays not a permenant home. Sounds like someone is now singing a different tune. Is it "All things Bright & Beautiful"?
It seems that you are determined to interpret any mention of Anglicanism by Arturo as "cheerleading". I fail to see how a block quote from from a book written by somebody else can be construed as uncritical praise of the glories of Anglicanism.
Re-read what it is he said!
Penny, my point is, he didn't say anything in this post. The entire post consists of a a quote from a book. A book that he didn't write.
The fact that he's quoteing it is bad enough!! Especialy since he said he's not a Anglican cheerleader!!
Cut it out you two! The fact is, I go to an Anglican Church, I receive Communion as an Anglican... then I am an Anglican. Period. I love my little Anglican mission to death, and there are three Catholic Churches around me that I don't go to.
And if you don't like it, Penny, YOU tell me what I should do. What are you anyway, Roman Catholic, Orthodox, etc.? If you want, my e-mail address is on my Blogger profile. You can e-mail me telling me what you really want to say, and I will read it. Is this just a disturbing hobby you have, or do you really want to lead me to what you consider the Truth? If it is the latter, then by all means do so, and I invite you to do it privately or publicly, whatever you prefer.
I don't want to make enemies. So Penny, tell me what you really want to say, and not just a few sentences intended to disrupt the discourse of this blog.
Also, I quote all sorts of people on this blog: Roman Catholic, Orthodox, even pagan philosophers.
So I don't see what is so objectionable in quoting this book.
You know what the Truth is Arturo!! Just because you like you little Anglican church, you know deep down in your heart it's not "The Church". Someday you will have to admit this to yourself. Just like you loved your Traditional Latin Church and your Byzantine Monastery, someday you will wake up to this delusion!
And what is the truth, may I ask? Please tell me.
Just keep trying to fool yourself!!
Your to smart to be playing this game, or maybe thats the problem.
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