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-Lee D. Baker, in Globalization and Race: Transformations in the Cultural Production of Blackness, p. 46

This is a description of a Protestant missionary of the immodest and scandalous living conditions of blacks in the South in the 19th century. It also describes my Mexican Catholic household growing up....

What is wrong with Roman Catholic traditionalism in the English speaking world? Read the title of this post. It is the myth that Roman Catholicism is a clean, sanitized, and pasturized religion that is basically a book of etiquette with a little bit of Latin sprinkled on it. It is far from this, at least in places where Roman Catholicism has historically been nurtured and thrived.

Having spent time in the Society of St. Pius X in the U.S. and Argentina, I can honestly tell you that most traditionalists don't have a clue on how to be Catholic (except the ones who were Catholic before the Council.) They somehow think that being a good Catholic means having a spotless reputation, watching all the right movies, and avoiding all the wrong kinds of people. The Catholics I have come to know and admire, however, were really bad at doing all of these things. That was not their world. In their world, people struggled to get food on the table everyday. In their world, people may have done lots of things that are morally questionable in order to to just get through life. In their world, people prayed and prayed a lot even though they knew they were sinners since a prayer was all they had. In their world, there was no such thing as "Christian modesty" because everyone slept in close quarters in order to stay warm. This was the world of the Gospels. It is a harsh world, but one that is real and far from the fancies of those who dream of restoring "the Social Reign of Christ the King".

We can wring our hands all we want about how evil this world has become, and there are some very strong arguments that this is the case. I would argue that the abundance of material things makes us insensitive to the things of God. But hunger and poverty also creates a brutal, unforgiving environment that neither you nor I would want to live in. Perhaps the only difference between sins done in the barrio and ghetto and the sins that we do is that we have no excuse. It is even worse if we try to make the world in the image and likeness of an English garden party: that is the greatest hypocrisy and blindness of all.

What is this tirade really about? It is about people trying to impose a system on others apart from the Gospel itself. This system states that if only you keep your kids away from so-and-so, if you only cut your lawn so many times a week, and if you only live here instead of there you are a better Catholic than the people across the way. Catholicism is not about manners, etiquette, and being able to afford a modest, decent life. Check the Gospels again....

For me, the most indignant aspect about the Catholic separatism advocated by many traditionalists is that it is only possible for those to whom the capitalist system has been kind. Is all of our liturgical and "doctrinal snobbery" mainly another luxury we can afford, and others cannot?


At 4:57 AM, Blogger Young fogey emeritus said...

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At 4:59 AM, Blogger Young fogey emeritus said...

I'll put in a good word for English tolerant conservatism, likewise different to the infuriating aspects of RC neoconservatism and traditionalism you nail here, but other than that I agree entirely. So did Englishman Evelyn Waugh, who unlike us had no time for Anglicanism in any form. In Brideshead Revisited through Cordelia talking to Charles he pointed out the difference between being good, like Bridey was (the kind of person you're criticising), and being holy, which Sebastian was. Authentically Catholic.

At 5:44 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is not a Catholic phenomenon only - the protestant sectarian world in which I grew up in (, was big on that type of thing. Really BIG!

And its roots were in semi-Pelagianism Charles Finney style...

At 7:20 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


That is all. Thank you.

At 11:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm with the Young Fogey here. How Anglo-Saxon middle class Catholics live their faith and adapt their culture to it is up to them. It doesn't mean that it is the only way to live a Catholic life, but it's one way.

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At 10:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, that sounds really good when you're not trying to raise children, but when you are, wow do you suddenly understand the appeal of respectability and standards of decency.

No one wants to live like you described, and material progress isn't the only thing that helps people rise out of it. Ideals are necessary. If Roman Catholicism won't provide them, people will turn to Protestantism because they see there the hope for a better life for their children in this world AND the next.

I find the English garden-partyism kinda annoying sometimes but it's hardly a major problem in the world today. Primitivism, attacks on the very concept of modesty, complete erosion of the etiquette you sneer at and is absolutely necessary to have any kind of decent life - these things are major problems, as you would know if you'd ever spend time with middle class families who let their children run around naked and don't bother sitting down to meals.

At 2:54 AM, Blogger Anagnostis said...

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At 2:56 AM, Blogger Anagnostis said...


I have young children and I understand perfectly what you're saying; but the point is not an attack on modesty or good manners as such, on behalf of "primitivism". Modesty and good manners are high, civilised virtues: but they are NOT Christianity, which is a transformative encounter with a Person, not a mere ideology of the left, the right or the centre. We all need Jesus (as Ttony rightly points out)but the external circumstances and social niceties of middle-class life are not the condition of salvation. The trouble with bourgeoisified Christianity is that it is far narrower, stupider and more radically exclusive in fact than the ancien regime it replaces.

Leave the Prosperity Gospel to the Protestants; let them try to "take it with them". I don't fancy their chances.

At 6:40 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


I think what are you saying is obviously true - Christianity isn't good manners or hygeine anymore than it is good art or architecture. But we live in an age where good manners and hygeine are either not given any support or are actively attacked, just like good art and architecture. Like I said, the garden-partyism is annoying. It's not the Prosperity Gospel at all; it's completely the reverse. It's the Shabby Gentility Gospel. But as a woman raising children, I can tell you that being around people who will support my wearing a skirt and stockings is pretty nice. Believing that wearing a nice dress to church and having a set of good dishes to use for special occasions and running a comb through your children's hair before they go outside is important does not mean that you think it is all-important. It means that you have an ordered life, and without these rituals that are so easy to mock, women run themselves ragged and households with children degenerate into chaos.

I don't disagree that there are a lot of people running around for whom traditional Catholicism appears to sometimes provide them a venue for a Evelyn Waugh-based LARP. But there are very, very few other vectors by which proper behavior can be transmitted anymore and what is being transmitted is of value. Respectability is of value. It's only bad when it is a higher value than love. And, honestly, I fail to see that happening among Catholics. There's silliness, but there's no one who would actually not help a beggar to keep their dress clean.

At 9:39 AM, Blogger Arturo Vasquez said...


I am single, but I did teach 8-9 year olds in an SSPX school for a year, so I know a little bit about the child-rearing habits of RC traditionalists. Obviously, not scandalizing children and trying to shield them from the world for as long as possible is extremely important. But can this go way too far? Some of the children I was teaching and some who came out of SSPX home-schools were neither holy nor innocent; they were just weird. As in all things in life, this is all a gamble, and you do the best you can.

And it seems to me that there is not enough physical punishment of children anymore. In my house, we were quite wealthy in that regard (the Mexican manner of child-rearing...)

At 12:16 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of course you know that in the U.S. Catholic separatism was widely practiced before the Council, right (though not necessarily by choice. . . ). I suspect the situation in Mexico and other Latin American countries was much different because, by and large, everyone was Catholic.

At 2:46 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I suspect that separationism is, as P-I pointed out, more a product of class than religious conviction. The exceptions, of course, are groups like the Amish or the Hutterites. I do not see traditional Catholics going that route anytime soon.

As for the matter of rearing children, the biggest substance abusers I knew in my early high school days were from affluent Catholic households. Aquinas College, located in my hometown, was a haven for rich Catholic kids; it was also a haven for drugs, booze, partying, and easy sex. Now, whether it could be said that these persons came from "traditional" Catholic homes is up for debate. I certainly interact with enough law students at DePaul University who have--in their own words--"pious parents" and yet have themselves completely fallen into apostasy.

For my part, with a 5 month old son and a very new marriage, I am hardly in a position to say where my family is "going" in that regards. In five months I'll have a J.D. and my wife will have an M.A. Statistically speaking, we should be able to go the route of separationism. But as we've both talked about, that's not in my heart. At the same time, I really don't know what other route is available. In my experience, Orthodox Christianity in America today is wholly a middle-to-upper middle class phenomena (especially with converts). The same charges that can be levied against Roman Catholics can be put on a good deal of Orthodox as well. For now, I enjoy the benefits of a parish with a large student (read: poor!) population, but when I do manage to get back to my hometown and attend visit a parish, I feel distinctly like--pardon my French--"po' white trash" (or, more aptly, a dirty Mexican). A wall of iconography isn't likely to be named after my family anytime soon (ah, thank you student loans) and the more children God blesses us with, the more limited my chances are going to be to join the Old (Ethnic) Boy's Club. That's parish life in America, though. I doubt denominational lines mean a whole lot in that regard.

At 10:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, I think a big part of where we are missing each other here has to do with some of us coming out of the pre-Vatican II separatism of American Catholics, most of whom were immigrants desperately trying to claw their way into stability and decency, as opposed to people coming from a Catholic culture. I also think a lot of it comes out of the difference between your immediate ancestors living in villages in reasonable climates, and your immediate ancestors living in tenements in the American Northeast. I don't mean that the villages were idyllic, but you could occasionally get out of odor range of your fellow unwashed humans.

As for going to far in the protection of children, I don't think you can go to far in protecting the girls, nor in protecting the boys from erotic imagery. As for the rest of it - I have strong feelings about the weirdness produced by a liberal private school education in San Francisco, because that's what I have experience with. My education produced a lot of creepy weird people too, just they are more employable as investment bankers. Childrearing is not a gamble. It's a matter of consistent practical application of simple principles, which is only hard to do if you're very poor or very emotionally unstable. Today, in America, the absence of a normal mainstream culture creates some typical errors in all religious homeschooling communities, but they'll be corrected in the next generation.

At 10:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh I also wanted to add that my problem with the Shabby Genteel separatists is that they don't make ENOUGH money. The Prosperity Gospel might be offensive, but it is nowhere near as offensive as the idea that it is somehow ok to sit around and enjoy those fruits of capitalism which you can afford on your professor's salary, but you certainly aren't going to sully yourself with trade.

Separatism doesn't go too far; it doesn't go far enough. There is a whole world outside America where Americans who have legitimate issues with modern culture could be starting businesses, employing people who are starving and selling their children to brothels, and where there is way more scope to create a healthy culture to raise children in. My big problem with SSPX and some forms of homeschooling is that the children aren't being raised to do business, which is what lay Americans are best suited for. Instead they're being raised to be lawyers and professors. Blargh.

At 4:12 AM, Blogger Anagnostis said...

A friendly blogger elsewhere has described me as an "intellectual" which is flattering, but well wide of the mark. I am, in US parlance, "blue collar". In recent years, because the boss liked the cut of my jib, I moved from the shopfloor to a management position in which I have been spectacularly incompetent. I am losing my job at Christmas. There is no money, and my wife is presently working shifts in a psychiatric hospital to get us through the next few weeks. The print trade to which I was trained has all but vanished under pressure from technological developments and the global market. I am desperately searching for something that will enable me to retrain while bringing in enough to keep up the mortgage (enough of struggle as it was). I would rather stick hot pins in my eyes than do another collar-and-tie -type job (though I will if I have to). I'm I'm not good at it and I don't think I ever could be. I like making things, but the things I'm trained to make are now made in China for cheaper than I can get the paper.

What am I trying to say here? Just that many of us are simply no good at middle-class life, but that economic circumstances push us into having to "busk it". We don't need having our inadequacies in that department rubbed in at Mass, as well.

At 7:29 AM, Blogger Ochlophobist said...

In my use of intellectual I do not carry with it the class associations common to the term or confine it to someone who is a paid pawn of diploma mills. I simply refer to one's capacity and broad use of intellect.

Moretben, your last comment I found quite moving because I share something of your experience of life. I will post on this today if God wills. I will pray regarding your employment situation.

At 7:56 AM, Blogger Anagnostis said...

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At 8:06 AM, Blogger Anagnostis said...

Thank you Owen - prayers very much appreciated (as was the compliment, which fairly cheered me up).

I have an interview on Thursday with the bus company; the only trouble with that is they want you to sign for two years minimum to cover the cost of training (passenger license). Everything here is micro-regulated. I got a place to retrain as plumber/gas fitter (plenty of work around) - then they told me it was going to cost $14,000 and take 18 months to get the certificates necessary to work.

Two years' bus-driving sounds like just what I need after this last experience - provided the money's enough to keep a roof over our heads.

At 9:16 AM, Blogger Arturo Vasquez said...

Wow, you guys were really yacking it up when I was gone....


As a child of a poor family that struggled to make ends meet, you are in my prayers.


"Dirty Mexican...." I love it!

All points are well taken.

At 12:51 PM, Blogger Anagnostis said...

Thank you, Arturo. I'm sure things here are not as hard as your parents had it - just a bit scary at present.

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You and your family will be in your prayers, moretben.

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Many thanks, anon - greatly appreciated.

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