The Sarabite: Towards an Aesthetic Christianity

There is a continuous attraction, beginning with God, going to the world, and ending at last with God, an attraction which returns to the same place where it began as though in a kind of circle. -Marsilio Ficino

Saturday, November 10, 2007

Editorial Note

If anyone would like to post frivolous comments on this blog, I now reserve the right for myself to delete them. Some have used my leniency in this regard to turn this blog into a place to vent their own strange tastes in music and culture. That will now cease. You are all welcome to post whatever you want, but I am now the sole arbiter as to whether it will stay posted or not.

And that's why we can't have nice things.


At 9:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


At 10:25 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

"And that's why we can't have nice things."

Is that a profound commentary on our current state on Western Heritage. You are profound and erudite. That sentence has deep meaning.

At 1:47 PM, Blogger D. Benedict Andersen OSB said...


Can't you just restrict comments to those with Blogger accounts?

At 2:33 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


You really do not have a significant problem.

Many people coming to your site do not hold blog accounts.

You actually seem to roll with most of the comments well and have a good sense of humor. I cannot tell if some of the comments are real or meant as sarcastic humor, I am assuming the latter. I think even some of the humorous comments, and your responses add value to the blog and your visitors.

I think things like swearing, racial slurs, libelous statements should not be allowed. I like the open forum free speech. But, it is your blog and you can do whatever you want.


PS: Instead of Assyrian Neoplatonism, you should focus on CHRISTIANITY.
Also, I like your posts on other religions and dance and music but it is prudential.

At 3:47 PM, Blogger Arturo Vasquez said...

If y'all seriously think I am going to start arbitrarily deleting posts that I don't agree with, you don't know me well enough. The only posts that I will consider deleting are those of a particular individual who wants to repeatedly compare and contrast the rapping skills of Biggie Smalls vs. Too Short, and other frivoulous things. If a comment is even remotely in the ballpark of being in the context of the conversation, it will be allowed. Otherwise, I will delete it. I think that pretty much preserves the great freedom in commenting on this blog, while it will cause one or two individuals to think twice before posting references to Vicente Fernandez in a comment on Renaissance Neoplatonism.

At 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brother Arturo Vazquez, my man

1. You post on dance, art, music that is not per se theological (although yes beauty and everything is theological although that is more Hans U.V.B. rather than Marcel Lefebvre per se.
Thus comments about Biggie Smalls (perhaps less so Too Short)that many consider a poet at equal with your poets of the University. There are serious academics as well as millions of fans who the discussion of Tupac v. Biggie (not Too Short) is legitimate and has value.

2. My friend Ice Cube loves Mexican culture (and Women--and by note is a Muslim and does not drink and has an interest in Sufism as do you with your multiple posts of Mawlānā Jalāl-ad-Dīn Muhammad Balkhī--poet, jurist, Hanafi theologian--and alleged both hedonistic homosexual and mystic)--thus a discussion on why you post Russian ballet dance links rather than your own cultural heritage (a heritage which you recently denigrated although I think out of anger or at least frustration as it is hard to argue that Mexicans do not have high culture or that the culture of the masses does not have value--although you could well be right on the reason Mexicans come to the United States) Thus a discussion on Vicente Fernandez may be valid on a post of other music and art that you like especially when you claim it is uniquely beautiful or it reflects theological truth.

3. There are cultural and class issues here also. You seem to have an affection for Traditional religious themes especially in the aesthetic but also seem to have a cognitive dissonance in your comments on Our Lady of Guadalupe in defense of certain other comments, your posts on the integration of Incan religion with Christianity as seems to have happened with Greek and other European pagan customs and even thought with Chrisitianity. It is not impossible to conclude that you have some issues from where you came from or who who you are.
You seem critical of torture (as well you should but even in this day an age it happens with logical justifications by the AG in the Bush administration and even in urban US police departments in areas that have spawned at least originally the music of Biggie and Tupac) Many people have a hard time (even good Catholics) identifying or even understanding the New Liturgical Reform website (although there is certain value) or people could see the photo montage dedicated to Senator Joseph McCarthy and see a right wing or fringe element although even if true should not distract from the artistic genius of the Lion and the Cardinal.

4. You are impressive that you seem to know Latin very well, are well versed in Indian Ragas, Hinduism, the value of dance in Hinduism specifically, the cult of Shiva (cult in a proper and desciptive not derogatory sense), obviously Neoplatonism, Byzantine Rite stuff etc AND YOU (not your posters) link to 5 on it, or claim that His Excellency Bishop Williamson likes JayZ (I am assuming in jest) or even your links (Thank you) to my own music and videos. You have a great potential audience of young "rural" Mexicans and urban African Americans that could find it hard to identify with other blogs on the right side linked from your website that do find some of the attitude condascending or focused not on Christ per se but surrounded intrinsically with specific political, historical, and philosophical points of view.
You rightly point out that some Jesuits wanted to integrate Incan (and probably other) cultures with Christianity. You seem to know Too Short, the Ghetto Boyz--even qouted them, linked to YouTube videos of them.--this is you and not your posters--it is amazing that you had time to be so well versed in popular culture (especially hip hop and rap)(although less commonly Mexican themes) I would of assumed the the Lefebverist Seminary would not have allowed rap being listened to, at least not as an explicit part of the specific spiritual formation.

5. Some of the comments are very funny and I think are meant to make a point which is good for some readers.

6. Since you posted on the image of Pope Pius V (the patron of the Traditional Latin Liturgy) and rightly criticized torture and juxtaposition of the two images and the condemnation of torture.
PLEASE if you delete any of my posts do not follow up with a visit with your Argentian seminary friends and torture me until I do not post again. Torture should not be imposed (racks, burnings, or other methods of the Inquisition Spanish or otherwise) to stop people from posting frivolously or out of the subject area.

7. Since you are Mexican, and like Carlos Fuentes (an anti Catholic no less--although I did like Artemio Cruz), why no posts on what seems to be spiritual popular music of Carlos Santanna. I would prefer Santanna or some Mexican folk dance over some of your posts on dance and music--but that is the great thing about taste and differences.

8. Thank you for linking to my videos and music.
For the record, I believe that the Chronic was the greatest rap album of all time and will be a classic and standard for generations to come.
The best flow was from Biggie (Too Short is entertaining but not deep nor edifying but focuses too much on lust not unlike your St. Augustine and would be considered misogynistic--if you heard my BEAUTIFUL song you will realize I have been moving away from misogynistic themes.
You are a great poet and so is Biggie even if Biggie is not taught by Prof David Allen along Evelyn Waugh at either the Naval Academy's English Academy or SSPX seminary.
You in the past have cited the Gheto Boyz (even linking and qouting them) and their My Mind is Playing Tricks on me is deep and some have compared it to your San Juan de la Cruz and the Dark Night of the soul.
You have also cited (going way back to your youth) some old school rappers.
Without sounding egotistical, I still think Gin and Juice is one of the best ever.

9. May Shiva bless you while you are twirling around as a Sufi reading Mawlānā Jalāl-ad-Dīn Muhammad Balkhī. Although I am still not understanding the interplay in dance, body movement in describing the Universe and how we in the West (although I am not sure if African Americans would be considered your West and certainly don't have an issue with dance) are neo Manichean Gnostic puritans with issues with the body.

10. God Bless you. You are clearly an intelligent and thought provoking individual. You have an amazing journey. You have a great sense of humor that what some might consider your uppity exclusivist traditionalists might not understand your sense of humor unless they knew rap or were Mexican or both.

For you and your viewers (although you have linked before)--perhaps my greatest work and the piece that crossed from the exlcusively urban market to even the children of your traditionalists and academics and a classic:

fo' shizzle, ma nizzle
and you Arturo are dope and so is your blog

Much love N
The D O Double G
Bigg Snoop Dogg
Tha Bigg Boss Dogg

PS: I am trying to get Dre to read your dope blog too

At 4:52 PM, Blogger Sean Roberts said...

Dre? Cube? All bow down before KRS-One.

Whoop Whoop, that the sound of the police!

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