The Sarabite: Towards an Aesthetic Christianity

There is a continuous attraction, beginning with God, going to the world, and ending at last with God, an attraction which returns to the same place where it began as though in a kind of circle. -Marsilio Ficino

Saturday, September 30, 2006


The Anglican Cleric has done it again with this educational post on the Roman concept of Purgatory.

My only addtional comment: it's odd that he needs to argue these things, since in 99% of the Roman Catholic Church in the developed world, purgatory is a dead doctrine and not even mentioned anymore in most Catholic venues. Indeed, even in the pre-Vatican II Roman liturgy, the word "Purgatorio" does not appear once.


At 10:44 AM, Blogger Young fogey emeritus said...

Without an intermediate state prayer for the dead makes no sense. High-Central Churchman C.S. Lewis believed in it.

So if mainstream RCs aren't taught this, what are they being taught then? That the 'memorial Masses' (their newspeak) are really for them to make them feel better? That the church funeral is a de facto canonisation of the person?

At 11:25 AM, Blogger Rev. Dr. Hassert said...

The Young Fogey obviously didn't read my posting, just the title. The Intermediate State and the spiritual growth the individual undergoes and the internal suffering they might have for a realization of their sins is not the same as a place (Purgatory) where the punishment is imposed from without, where the person is kept from the presence of God.

At 3:20 PM, Blogger Arturo Vasquez said...

"That the church funeral is a de facto canonisation of the person?"

Bingo. This is the reality of what a funeral meant at least in the Anglo-Saxon white-bread Roman Catholicism of this country. Go to a Catholic cemetery here in California, and you will see that the only people who seem to visit them with much frequency are the Mexicans and other "Latinos". I don't think, however, even they have a concept of relieving the temporal punishment due to sin when they prey for the dead. This is a practically extinct argument, even in the Vatican.

At 3:20 PM, Blogger Arturo Vasquez said...

Sorry, I meant "pray."

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